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Ten Atrocities that would not exist without Usury

by on August 2, 2013
30 million people starve per year, poor countries pay up to ten times more interest on their foreign debts than they receive in development aid.

30 million people starve per year, poor countries pay up to ten times more interest on their foreign debts than they receive in development aid.

Poverty amid plenty. Mainly a result of money scarcity through Usury

Poverty amid plenty. Mainly a result of money scarcity through Usury

We have relegated our children to indentured servitude. Without a second thought.

We have relegated our children to indentured servitude. Without a second thought.

All the Usury ultimately ends up with people already owning Trillions. It feeds their avarice, burning away their souls.

All the Usury ultimately ends up with people already owning Trillions. It feeds their avarice, burning away their souls.

They are poisoning our food because there are too many of us. We are buying it, because we need to cut cost to pay off the Usurer. Transnationals would not exist if the many had exist to interest-free capital.

They are poisoning our food because there are too many of us. We are buying it, because we need to cut cost to pay off the Usurer. Transnationals would not exist if the many had exist to interest-free capital.

More and more needs to be monetized to pay off ever higher cost for capital. We are rapaciously plundering Mother Nature, destroying our own habitat.

More and more needs to be monetized to pay off ever higher cost for capital. We are rapaciously plundering Mother Nature, destroying our own habitat.

While we are working harder and harder to pay off the interest on our escalating debts (calling it 'independence' and 'self-realization'), we are deserting those that need care, our elders and children.

While we are working harder and harder to pay off the interest on our escalating debts (calling it ‘independence’ and ‘self-realization’), we are deserting those that need care, our elders and children.

The Usurer is behind the sexualization and degeneration of the Public Domain. He needs us to be distracted by our carnal nature so we won't notice our demise.

The Usurer is behind the sexualization and degeneration of the Public Domain. He needs us to be distracted by our carnal nature so we won’t notice our demise.

Wars exist because they create debt and satisfy the demonic forces that have colonized our leaders, who have become power-crazy because of their Usurpation.

Wars exist because they create debt and satisfy the demonic forces that have colonized our leaders, who have become power-crazy because of their Usurpation.

They are working towards a Global Government. A grandiose Despotism that will finally externalize the Usurer's Hierarchy.

They are working towards a Global Government. A grandiose Despotism that will finally externalize the Usurer’s Hierarchy.

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70 Comments
  1. >>>>>>>The Usurer is behind the sexualization and degeneration of the Public Domain. He needs us to be distracted by our carnal nature so we won’t notice our demise.

    This is another deflection
    money lenders may have made easily and freely available sex, porn and deviation; but has any usurer ever forced anyone to indulge in it ? has any inn-keeper ever made anyone……? has Holiwood ever forced anyone to pay for ticket and watch ……?
    Has TV ever made anyone one to watch its shows ……?

    You purposely left out marijuana, a tool of paganization and degeneration…..

    • Kit permalink

      You’re presupposing that the masses have the wherewithal to think for themselves and forgetting that they are purposefully being dumbed down further by each decade. Study what TV waves do to the brain…and also junk food and the average Western diet, while you’re at it. Step outside your mind…you’re stuck in a Libertarian doublethink without a grasp of the real world. Yep.

      • meecha permalink

        yes….that is a presupposition and I am personally happy with it. The alternative is an idealist who knows what’s really best for us.

  2. Thanks a lot, have shared your link.

  3. great guy permalink

    I disagree with the premise that they are trying to reduce the world population. The current world system needs an ever increasing consumer class

    • Don’t you mean producer class?

    • Kit permalink

      The current world system is becoming post consumption. We’re running out of resources, chief.
      The only consumers emerging are in the elite classes. And, they’re setting themselves up for survival. What do they care if the bottom half or two-thirds of the world population dies off? They’ll still be enough cogs to service them.

  4. Bruce permalink

    I think Anthony Migchels has good intentions, and I agree with this idea that money should be an interest-free creation of sovereign states for the benefit of society and commerce. But these are all fool’s arguments. Humanity will never have freedom of any kind as long as the occult secret societies maintain their monopoly on legal violence.

    • They cannot rule with force alone. They need a story, a myth. And if this myth is busted, then they are too.

    • Secret societies are patsies for the “money power”. The banksters rule humanity in the wide open. “He who has the gold makes the rules” is the truth. Not, “he who has a secret group make the rules”. Monetary control is the control of the commercial energy and rewards system. People don’t go to work daily because of “secret societies”. They go to earn money to pay food, water, energy and shelter.

      • Why isn’t it, “They go to work growing food, collecting water and energy, and building shelters for themselves.”? Why do they build mega-yachts for people who just consume all day?

  5. Kevin Moore permalink

    The comment under above photo, “….We are rapaciously plundering Mother Nature, destroying our own habitat” – brought these verses from Jeremiah to mind.

    Jeremiah 50:11-13, “Because you rejoice, because you exult, O destroyers of My inheritance; because you are fat like the heifer in grass, and neigh like strong ones; your mother shall be deeply ashamed; she who bore you shall turn pale. Behold the last of the nations shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert. Because of the wrath of Jehovah it shall not be inhabited, but it shall be wholly a waste; everyone who goes by Babylon shall be amazed and hiss at all her plagues.”

    Jeremiah 51:25 “Behold I am against you, O destroying mountain, says Jehovah, who destroy all the earth. And I will stretch out My hand on you and roll you down from the rocks, and I will make you a burned mountain”.

    • Is God compelling man to pollute his way out of a home because we let children starve and old men be homeless? Or, is there going a big natural disaster?

  6. Karl Ready permalink

    The Vatican leads all these groups and through the Jesuits, Freemasons help to break down Protestant governments and bring in Roman rule. It is here behind the scenes and will soon be out front and reality will be terrible. Jesus Christ is the only answer, not an organization, a relationship with the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth.

    • Alray permalink

      Vatican, Jesuits? Then you are misinformed. Yes, there is enemy subversion in the church just like any establishment in the world, but to blame the Catholic church is an easy scapegoat tactics my the mainstream media.

      “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”
      – Voltaire

      I recommend you reading the timeline of Andrew Carrington Hitchcock’s books:

      1) History of the Money Changers:

      http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Andrew.Carrington.Hitchcock/The.History.of.the.Money.Changers.htm

      2) The S*ynagogue of Satan:

      http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&ved=0CF0QFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bibliotecapleyades.net%2Farchivos_pdf%2Fsynagoguesatan.pdf&ei=2nTxUZa3GJj64APoqYDoCQ&usg=AFQjCNGa1-FzwxVSTPpbEGjyEnW3iJjwLQ&sig2=oBJYlCUeNOK_wTNVtyUrpQ&bvm=bv.49784469,d.dmg

      This will give you an eye-opener on who orchestrates and who is behind all wars, revolutions, counter-revolutions, subversions and perversions and the so called “Protestant revolution” under the banner of reformation by Martin Luther, not because of indulgences and excesses by the church.

      I know this is quite a read, but I am giving you these materials just to dispel the notion that Catholics are not clueless sheeps and dogs that every non-catholic thinks.

      Thanks.

    • Jarl permalink

      Hahaha, the Vatican is nothing. Jews, specifically the wealthy banking families, own everything.

  7. Some Dude permalink

    the people became the capital and the banks became bounded to protect them at all costs … it is called usufruct and it operates thru Article 55 of the Hague … the problem is the people reject what was built to free them … I guess they would much rather fight, the problem is the universe interprets that fighting as if you want what you are fighting to exist; it must, for you to expend that energy.

    • Obi Wan, I don’t understand. Are you saying I want the delusion so I can fight it?

  8. Tom permalink

    Having read all of Philo’s comments here, I can only come to the conclusion that he’s either a paid shill for the bankers trying to convince people who already know better that debt-based money is the only possible system; or, he’s an idiot.

    ” No one could walk into a bank and say, “I’d like a million dollars in greenbacks and silver certificates,” and walk out without signing a note to return them(plus interest).”

    No one said that this ever happened; this is what’s called a strawman argument — this is philo’s shame for using it. The debt-free greenback money was printed and spent into the economy by the government, on Civil War expenses. It’s arguable whether that particular purpose was really in the interest of all US citizens, but no one walked into a bank and had them handed out for free.

    “They were taken out of circulation so the masses wouldn’t ask questions about how money comes into existence in the first place so the whole thing doesn’t fall apart.”

    There is a certain amount of truth to this statement from philo, but not the way you would like us to believe. Bankers wanted those greenbacks out of circulation because every one that remained out there, moving from person to person with no interest attached to them at the point of creation (the government in this case) meant bankers were losing interest on them as long as they stayed in the economy.

    “There is no debt free money. Money is an IOU.”

    This is what pegs you as a banker’s shill, philo. Money is only an IOU because bankers have bribed, extorted, and assassinated their way into having it so. Debt-free money doesn’t mean that no one can get a loan or that interest is never paid, it just means that money creation is retained as a sovereign right to benefit the people, and is spent into existence by the government on necessary infrastructure or legitimate public services. The money then circulates freely between businesses and individuals with no debt attached to it at the origination point, as Federal Reserve Notes have permanently attached to them. If a bank, or anyone else, wishes to lawfully accumulate debt-free money and then loan it out at interest, it is their right to do so in a free market. But for banks to create debt-money out of thin air and loan it at interest is the largest and most evil scam ever perpetrated on the human race.

    • How were they taken out of circulation? Did someone take them out of everyone’s pockets? Was there a fine imposed for possessing them? I’m here to dispel your delusions. Have some respect.

      • Tom permalink

        How is any physical currency taken out of circulation? Even FRN’s wear out, and when they become too tattered a bank pulls them and sends them back to the Treasury Department to be destroyed. When a currency, like the greenback is in circulation and the bankers want it out of circulation, this process can be accelerated by pulling every one that enters the bank rather than waiting for them to wear out.

        “Did someone take them out of everyone’s pockets? Was there a fine imposed for possessing them?”

        Your words may be phrased as questions, but they skirt very close to meeting the definition of a strawman argument (again). Surely your training manual has more tricks in it than that……..

        • Why did they enter the bank?

      • Hello philo: You asked: “How were they taken out of circulation? Did someone take them out of everyone’s pockets? Was there a fine imposed for possessing them? I’m here to dispel your delusions. Have some respect.”

        It’s “valuations” that are moved into or out of circulation, not “money”. It is helpful to separate the two, because delusions are tricks that work well for those who control “value” and the demographic of purchasing power.

        An example would be: If one’s property or income is woefully penalized by taxation, it’s a net reduction in the net value or purchasing power of the currency they possess. Runaway taxation typically leads to inflation of currency and thus devaluation of products and services. Yet taxation is only one mechanism out of many potential value manipulations in the collective “value” pool. The proverbial man behind the curtain has many other methods like currency arbiters with other finance mechanisms as well. Most, if not all these management processes are hidden from the view of the average debt slave…

        See the BIS bank situation emanating from Zurich Switzerland, or the forces behind the $50 billion Federal Reserve bailout of UBS, also located in Switzerland. Wouldn’t you agree that taxpayers and wage earners were “value” penalized by the Federal Reserve corporatists? Enslavement to oligarchy needs to be examined with due respect…

    • People that accumulate credits don’t loan. They purchase investments. Banks don’t loan. They facilitate debt between other people. Money is created with a promissory note and the crediting of an account. A greenback may be described as “out of thin air” if it wasn’t made from paper and ink.

      • Tom permalink

        People that accumulate credits don’t loan? That’s funny, I have a brother-in-law who has been in the mortgage business with his “accumulated credits” for decades. The difference between what he does and what a bank does is he actually has to have the money he loans. No one, not even a bank, should be allowed to loan something they don’t have, which is exactly what fractional reserve banking does. Your problem philo, is that you’re talking to a group here that actually knows something about how the banking system works, and you haven’t fooled anyone all day. Give it up.

        • Are you sure your bros’ company doesn’t have a bank charter? If not he’s in a very risky business. Most loan officers believe they’re loaning something.
          Btw, where do you think the fraction in “fractional reserve” comes from?

          • Tom permalink

            No, he is not a bank, he’s a private individual with enough savings to make loans for other people to buy houses with the house as collateral. Because he can never loan out more than he actually has (not being a bank) it’s not all that risky — he always has the house to foreclose on in a default. It’s banks that run a risky business “loaning” far more than they actually have, so it takes relatively few defaults before they are insolvent.

            If most loan officers think they’re loaning something, it’s because precious few at the foot soldier level in banking have any idea how the system works, and upper management would rather it stayed that way — wouldn’t want any attacks of conscience among the troops, you know.

            • Banks don’t have anything to loan, they don’t loan anything.

        • How would he cope if he knew his company was foreclosing on people and kicking them out of their homes if he didn’t believe he was lending anything? I’m sure he’s a nice guy.

          • Tom permalink

            You don’t get it philo, he’s an individual, not a “company” and he writes mortgages for houses with his own savings — “accumulated credit” you called it earlier. If the borrower defaults, yes, he has no choice but to foreclose, because he has a lot more skin in the game than any bank loan officer. Anybody with enough savings can do this with a good lawyer to draw up the contracts. The interest is whole lot better than you can get on treasuries, and safer than the stock market or commodities.

            • He has no choice?

        • Ohhhh yea! He makes a shit-load of money! That’s how he copes!
          Ask him how much would be in the personal accounts of all the owners if it was possible to call all debts. Anything more than they already have? They make their money facilitating debt and charging interest on it. Usury, the cause of atrocity.

          • Tom permalink

            He makes more than a bank would make on the same loan because he doesn’t have the same overhead as a bank. As for the people he loans to, they wouldn’t own a house at all if they didn’t have him to go to, because banks won’t loan to them. Banks are really not that efficient a way to make loans because of their overhead and bureaucracy. The only way they stay competitive at all is being able to loan out far more money than they actually have on deposit through the magic (swindle) of fractional reserve banking.

            • If there was no bank, there would be no money, and everyone would build their own houses. And, banks don’t have anything to loan, they don’t loan anything.

        • Do you mean to say your professional financier brother-in-law doesn’t know that to have any credit in an account means someone is already paying compound interest on the debt it represents and that he would be creating another debt obligation using those credits? And charging compound interest on it? And anyone who wants to be a professional financier just needs 4 million dollars to get a bank charter? Who’s the shill?

          • Tom permalink

            Jeez, philo, you obviously think all lending can only take place in formal, chartered institutions, done with someone else’s money. Wake up, there’s a whole other world of peer-to-peer lending out there that is giving the banks a run for their money. He is not a “professional financier” — this kind of lending can be done on a kitchen table with a phone call to a lawyer to draw up the contracts.

            • Formal chartered institutions don’t lend anything, it’s an illusion. Are the peers loaning houses? Because money doesn’t exist unless someone borrows and someone lends with a banker middleman. Are the peers charging usury?

  9. This is a good wake-up call. Well done!

  10. I can’t believe that some think that money wouldn’t exist without usury. mtnHours now has about $35k in circulation with zero debt or interest/usury. This could be done without usury but with $35k debt AND $35k credit in a mutual credit system. 2 examples of usuryFree currency which will emancipate humanity, create localism and sovereignty.

    • What you’re doing can work on a local scale among shopkeepers. You can educate people that banks don’t loan anything. A technologically advanced stratified society? No. Keep dreaming about the “emancipate humanity” thing Jesus.

  11. The problem is, if there is no usury, there will be no money, and yes, that would solve all the problems listed. When an uninitiated person sees this post, they’re going to assume that you don’t think anyone should receive a profit from their investment. They’re not going to see the point that the bank isn’t investing anything. The illusion the bank is lending is the only way money can exist.

    • Tom permalink

      Your comment is only correct in the current private, debt-based fiat money system. Changing that is the point of seriously discussing money mechanics. Debt-free currencies have been issued many times in the past, and they don’t disappear when loans are paid off as in the bank-issued debt-money, but keep circulating indefinitely. Lincoln issued greenbacks and it was decades before they could get all of them out of circulation. Hitler issued labor-based debt-free money and had an economically devastated Germany back on its feet in two years, for which he made Time Magazine’s “Man of the Year”. Kennedy did an end-run around the Fed with debt-free, government-issued silver certificates, and paid for it with his life. Bankers have historically resorted to assassination to preserve their debt-money monopoly, which is why we still have it and why many people (including philo, apparently) think that it’s the only possible system — other monetary systems have been intentionally left out of what little education people get on this. From the banker’s viewpoint, the more ignorance of money mechanics among the masses, the better.

      • You talkin’ to me? YOU talkin’ to ME? Seriously though, do you want to talk about money mechanics? Greenbacks weren’t given away. Silver certificates weren’t given away. Someone had to sign a promissory note to return them to whom they were issued by. No one could walk into a bank and say, “I’d like a million dollars in greenbacks and silver certificates,” and walk out without signing a note to return them(plus interest). They were taken out of circulation so the masses wouldn’t ask questions about how money comes into existence in the first place so the whole thing doesn’t fall apart. There is no debt free money. Money is an IOU. From civilizations viewpoint, the more ignorance of money mechanics among the masses, the better.

        • Carl permalink

          Sorry philo, your a fool. “The problem is, if there is no usury, there will be no money, and yes, that would solve all the problems listed.”

          Debt free money printed by the Bank of Canada or Congress is a sovereign right. You are part of the problem. As soon as deflation becomes a problem, more money is printed by BOC or Congress and spent into the public sector. See Bill Still’s “Money Masters.” There simply needs to be someone monitoring said levels of deflation.

          “There is no debt free money. Money is an IOU.”

          This is private banking hogwash, you are a Keynsian simpleton. Hope you enjoy seeing nations crushed under the weight of their deregulated, rehypothicated debt nightmare.

          • Still is an asshole cult leader utopianist who doesn’t listen to anyone who doesn’t give him validation. B.S. says it all. Yes, a government can water down the purchasing power of a currency. It doesn’t change the fact there has to be a percentage of unemployed people for the economy to work. Nor that Canadians standard of living is what it is because of the importation of slave labor manufacturing. If anyone is going to solve any problems, it’s not going to be a deluded person.

            • Carl permalink

              Yes philo, because the current debt based private fiat system is not currently “watering down” purchasing power. Good one.

              • I couldn’t give a shit about inflation.

          • Hey Carl: Thanks for that. The discussion was getting pretty drunk. I don’t buy everything Bill Still presents, but at least he’s drawing a bead on the proper targets.

            philo: You need more Plato in your approach. Denigrating Bill Still or anyone else, does very little to support your intellectual process. It is good practice to consider the considerations of one’s chosen enemy, before writing them off as pushovers. Things can be learned from this approach…

  12. Govt doesn’t need your taxes. Govt can print currency. Govt is imposing taxes to keep you subservient.

    • Carl permalink

      Don’t let philo hear that, he might learn something beyond the garbage that circulates within his limited grey matter.

      “the more ignorance of money mechanics among the masses, the better.”

      I mean have you ever heard of such crap. I hope he is Greenspan’s bootlicker or Ayn Rand’s cemetary upkeeper because he supports Plutocracy.

      • I’m trying to inform people that banks don’t lend anything. Anyone who thinks money should exist supports plutocracy because the masses have to be deluded for it to exist.

        • Bourchakoun permalink

          Before money can be abolished in the future it needs to be reformed first and the grip of the money power abolished. You cannot go from gasoline guzzling motors to antigravity-propulsion in one step.

          • I don’t want it to be abolished. I have a hot water tank. I have a car, computer, etc.. I just have to tell the truth as I see it. If people in mass wake up one day and decide to go to work and tear up their paycheck at the end of the week… I suppose anything is possible.

          • Actually, I’d rather live in a world where I never new these comforts and people weren’t deluded.

        • But philo, you seem to think we have an issue with that here? Don’t we all agree that the banks don’t lend anything? Is the fact that I take as many different angles of the same issue as possible in any way belittling that point?

          • Don’t worry, I think you’re doing a great job, in case you need my validation. You tolerate me. People can say they believe banks don’t loan anything all day long, and the next thing that comes out of their mouths indicates they don’t even understand what that means. And they definitely don’t think about the ramifications of a society of centuries that can’t see it.

  13. Bourchakoun permalink

    Without the money power’s immense financial power two other atrocities would not exist:

    1. The suppression of technology especially in the area of energy creation and transport. Some of the technologies are incredibly simple and we can only estimate what life would look like with practically free independent energy, super-powerful batteries and God knows what else. Anyhing that disrupts their oil and resource dependancy, future green fascism and neo-feudalistic economic model is being suppressed instantly.

    2. Another point is the complete negative domination of the medical field. Hundreds of millions die every year terrible deaths through vaccines, cancer industry and all other medical areas which are completely manipulated to maximize profit and suppress anything cheap and effective (sometimes even something expensive and effective if cancer is concerned). Some of the suppression stretches even to the very basic foundation of modern medicine. Research into pleomorphism. would for example wipe out germ theory and even current cancer theories and make many diseases easily treatable without side-effects.

    Now some people say that the earth would be overpopulated without the genocidal policies of the money power. To all those who believe that it is right to kill even one man in order to save 1.000, then they have been listening too much to the death-education and relative morality that Charlotte Izerbyt talks about and some of us can even remember in school.

    Not only is Earth far more spacious and bountiful than assumed, it is very likely anyway that most people would not choose to have 8 children per couple like in 1900 with improving life quality.

    This mantra of DOING EVIL in order to DO GOOD is simply wrong!!! We all know that the real reason for THEIR BIG PLAN was to attain total and complete power over the world and not to “save” it.

    • REN permalink

      Bourchakoun, there is something else to consider. When a person goes into debt, a debt instrument is issued. That instrument is a form of attachment to debtor. Said debt instrument requires usury to be paid off, and the usury rolls over in an exponential function. This means the “instrument” drives debtor on a treadmill, where he/she must compete and grab from the money supply to pay his escalating debts.

      This same instrument is traded in markets, as if it is a commodity. The term “bond” is from bondage. We don’t blink an eye at this because it is so much of our reality. Yet, trading debt instruments in markets is equivalent to trading the life energy and future labor of humans. Effectively, people are traded in markets, a form of slavery.

      As I’ve pointed out here, money represents past wealth, and stands on its own power. If the volume is controlled, and if money accumulations are kept out of rentier’s hands, the nature of debt instruments then changes. If a debt instrument collapses, there is no domino effect to the money supply. The debt instrument is ripped up and the original creditor, who loaned money (not credit as money) looses his investment. The original money was already spent and still in the supply, only the instrument terminates. The original creditor loaned his money, not hypothecated credit. Therefore money, which comes from the past, and has its basis in the law, changes the nature of man’s relationships.

      Why would a debtor pay off his money loan? Because the law demands it. Why would a creditor loan his money? There is the rub: He can be compelled (positive interest hence usury) or propelled i.e. taxes. I’ve dealt with the problems of money systems in my article here with SCD. With money systems there has to be good tax law (fiscal policy), especially Georgist type taxes, and a paranoia about monopoly rents.

      I’m still struggling with Mutual Credit, and I well understand that it must be an interim stepping stone. So, it needs to be made to work. Hypothecation money power, where bankers have inserted themselves between real money creditors and debtors, will not easily be defeated.

      Mutual credit, where the asset remains on the books has an equivalent “credit as money” issued. If a certain percentage is allowed to float, and not return to the ledger, it becomes money. It is a simple matter for the mutual creditor to not demand payment, and not demand usury. The asset can remain on the books forever, especially if it is willed. For mutual credit to work well, there should be legal agreements and good information systems to manage the money supply volume. Mutual creditors need to work together in a network. This network also helps expand market acceptance of the unit.

      Some of the mutual credit as money needs to return to the ledger, perhaps in order to reclaim the asset? This would put some necessary drain bias on the system, making a knob to offset any possible inflation. The legal agreement will specify a certain loan repayment rate. Some new mutual credit needs to be issued to offset the drain, and also there is pent up demand for credit as people “want” things. As we know, this “want” is a force that will drive people to put themselves into debt bondage. Carefully screening debtors would be another necessary ingredient. Lean toward success JAKs bank style.

      • Bourchakoun permalink

        Of course – being a debt-slave is part of the deal – in earlier times a real “indebted” servant could not leave the property of his master for more than a day.

        Frankly – what kind of system is being built in the realm of interest-free money creation is not much of importance, because already “good” people would rule. Social credit, mutual credit, demurrage, JAK-banks for real estate would be good options. But a lot of things would start to change anyway and the world would quickly become a better place.

        Many paradigms for real estate ownerships, job creation, independent wealth creation would change quickly. Also one could easily create test-beds in regions and see what kind of approach works better – social credit money creation with taxes, supplementary demurraged currencies or complete demurraged currencies etc.

        Our current problem is waking up the people to the real options and not getting caught in another dead-end-solution like Ron Paul, Austrianism etc. But frankly – the control is so complete already that our chances are so slim, that even if 20% of the population would be awake completely to all the scams and would be able to demand the right thing in the demonstrations – even then our chances woiuld be minimal. And we are nowhere close to that! There may have awoken a couple % or 10-15% in some countries to the basic scams, but even among them over 95% are oblivious to the REAL-CURRENCIES-options – they cannot imagine that they are being lied to again and again by THEIR MEDIA AND THEIR POLITICIANS and that there is no voting out of it! And they are even manipulated and lied to by the Alternative Media – at least by some of them!

        Hope – that’s all we’ve got and the conviction that every bat-crazy-evil empire in history has fallen – and so will theirs.

    • Hello Bourchakoun: You commented: “Not only is Earth far more spacious and bountiful than assumed, it is very likely anyway that most people would not choose to have 8 children per couple like in 1900 with improving life quality.”

      Erm… The problem with looking at the procreation issue in such a haphazard way is that in the past, many children never made it past the age of 7. Those that did often got whacked by war, famine, accident, disease, or just plain shit happening. If a large family wasn’t produced, the collapse or loss of the family, clan heritage, or collective possession of lands was quite likely. Procreation has gone from a practical survival mechanism, to a counter sustainable mechanism in the course of less than two hundred years.

      I think mankind needs to re-examine the use of collective resources in a very sober and immediate way. We’re engaging in retroactive birth control, by feeding resource slobs and entertainment freaks. Time to grow up, and quit fooling ourselves about “currency” and value. A dead planet is an expensive lesson.

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